founder and what the real role is of the chinese government in terms of potential control of this company. >> no, those are also fair points. there is no role of the chinese government in the company. the committee knows full and very well that when they visited our facilities, that they actually had access to the entire list of all 65,000 of our employee shareholders. look, this industry -- the committee is focused on cyber security concerns. those are very legitimate concerns. but, the fact of the matter is, it's a global industry. hauwei, cisco, eriksson, nokia se seimens operating on a common stage with overlapping -- there are cyber concerns but they are universal. anything short of universal solutions is nothing but political gamesmanship. >> i've done a lot of reporting on it. it goes back to the chinese, broadly speaking, to spy, usually using the internet on u.s. corporations and to steal their secrets wherever they may be and whatever way the chinese can. many say about hauwei, in fact, it came from virtually nothing as a result of today because of stolen intellectual property.